Send an answer to a topic: On the Naming of Chinese Automakers
JFKLetsplays
Maxus, i agree some cleaning up has to be done. At circa 2012 the transcript at the back changed from 上海汽车 to 上汽集团, but i think thats just change of the name of the parent company, SAIC. In Cuba i have seen some Maxuses too, they all had SAIC Motor on one side, and Maxus + model designation on other side. I think if we change the GAC Trumpchi to just Trumpchi, we should get rid of the SAIC Maxus in favor of just Maxus.
JFKLetsplays
I have edited the toyotas accordingly.
EDIT: yay, it finally works!
EDIT: yay, it finally works!
yubari
Furthermore, on the website, we can distinguish between the "Guangzhou Toyota" era prior to 2008 and the period from 2008 onwards, as the name "Guangzhou Toyota(广州丰田)" was indeed used on the vehicles at that time.
yubari
I agree with JFKLetsPlay's regarding the badge issue for the "Good Cat" model. Prior to April 2025, ORA models bore the "ORA" badge; however, the brand subsequently switched entirely to the "GWM" badge to highlight its affiliation with Great Wall Motor (GWM). Furthermore, ORA models sold in overseas markets—such as Thailand and Australia—are distributed through GWM's sales network. This situation differs from Mazda's sub-brands like Efini, Autozam, or Eunos, so I also find it rather confusing.
https://www.gwm.co.th/en/models/ora-5-ev
https://www.gwmanz.com/au/models/hatchback/ora/
https://www.gwm.co.th/en/models/ora-5-ev
https://www.gwmanz.com/au/models/hatchback/ora/
antp
JFKLetsPlay's reponse, who has the same issue as you for posting, as he just created his forum account:
About some of those things being questioned - Emgrand, as a brand or sub brand. While it was a separate sub-brand in China, i think generally as a rule on export markets these cars got sold, and were branded on the back of them as Make: Geely Model: Emgrand (and whatever number behind if applicable), even if the Red/Black checkerboard logo was still present. The oddest case is a Geely Panda, which in latin america got the Emgrand logo, despite being branded as Geely, and Emgrand not having that model on the domestic market either.
The whole, Great Wall Haval H6 or Haval H6 - in the 2010s, Haval was spun off into its own brand, the change being logo at the front and back. But some time before, I am not sure when exactly, "Haval" was rather translated as "Hover". Maybe it could clear some confusion to list (where applicable) the old Great Walls as Great Wall Hover, and the Havals as... Havals.
I also see GWM Ora / Ora, so thats hella confusing this one, seems GWM is mostly a recent branding for abroad, with Ora being the model name, while Ora in China is (or was???) a separate brand, but it prominently features GWM lettering on the facelifted Good Cat model even at the domestic market...
Also a small note Chery was initially called in english Cheery, but i dont think it got much use on actual cars if any at all...
The whole, Great Wall Haval H6 or Haval H6 - in the 2010s, Haval was spun off into its own brand, the change being logo at the front and back. But some time before, I am not sure when exactly, "Haval" was rather translated as "Hover". Maybe it could clear some confusion to list (where applicable) the old Great Walls as Great Wall Hover, and the Havals as... Havals.
I also see GWM Ora / Ora, so thats hella confusing this one, seems GWM is mostly a recent branding for abroad, with Ora being the model name, while Ora in China is (or was???) a separate brand, but it prominently features GWM lettering on the facelifted Good Cat model even at the domestic market...
Also a small note Chery was initially called in english Cheery, but i dont think it got much use on actual cars if any at all...
yubari
Info about these is often difficult to have, sources in English are not always reliable, and it is often chaotic in the first place as that is a rather young market compared to American/European makers.
JFKLetsplay can probably help on that subject, as he developed some knowledge in Chinese marques.
I am proficient in Chinese, so finding relevant information poses no difficulty.
I suggest with the exception of specific model years or certain models sold exclusively outside China—we consistently use the official, universally recognized English names (where applicable); after all, we wouldn't use a Romanized version of "Yiqi-Dazong (FAW-Volkswagen)" either.
antp
the naming of many other Chinese automakers on IMCDb is quite chaotic
Info about these is often difficult to have, sources in English are not always reliable, and it is often chaotic in the first place as that is a rather young market compared to American/European makers.
JFKLetsplay can probably help on that subject, as he developed some knowledge in Chinese marques.
yubari
I think it would be worth considering the opinions on this.
https://imcdb.opencommunity.be/forum_topic-8658--Chinese_brands_on_IMCDb.html#p
Furthermore, regarding manufacturers beyond just Great Wall and Chery—since there are no universally recognized foreign names—the naming of many other Chinese automakers on IMCDb is quite chaotic. Therefore, I believe that having administrators review and add these manufacturers is the right approach.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=GWM&model=Ora&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=- on
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-ORA.html
https://imcdb.opencommunity.be/forum_topic-8658--Chinese_brands_on_IMCDb.html#p
Furthermore, regarding manufacturers beyond just Great Wall and Chery—since there are no universally recognized foreign names—the naming of many other Chinese automakers on IMCDb is quite chaotic. Therefore, I believe that having administrators review and add these manufacturers is the right approach.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=GWM&model=Ora&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=- on
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-ORA.html
yubari
Both the characters “Changcheng" "TGW" and
"Great Wall"were used in the 1990s; however, the term "Changcheng" seems to have disappeared from official brochures after 2000, replaced by the version written with the character "Great wall"or ”GMW"—a name that also appeared on the bodies of the earliest "Safe" models released.
https://chinacarhistory.com/2017/12/18/about-the-cars-made-by-great-wall-a-history-before-their-official-history/
In 1999, Chery was referred to as "Cheery," though the spelling "Chery" was already in use by at least 2001; some export versions of the "Fengyun" model even featured the English "Chery" emblem.
However, since the vehicles produced by both brands bore Chinese-character emblems, Chinese consumers rarely referred to these cars using their Romanized names.
https://chinacarhistory.com/2017/12/18/about-the-cars-made-by-great-wall-a-history-before-their-official-history/
In 1999, Chery was referred to as "Cheery," though the spelling "Chery" was already in use by at least 2001; some export versions of the "Fengyun" model even featured the English "Chery" emblem.
However, since the vehicles produced by both brands bore Chinese-character emblems, Chinese consumers rarely referred to these cars using their Romanized names.
antp
About Toyota, on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAC_Toyota they mention a company founded as Guangzhou Toyota and renamed to GAC Toyota in 2008.
If it is correct, we could use these years as naming convention?
For Great Wall & Chery, isn't these the export names, and the others just a transliteration of the Chinese name?
If it is correct, we could use these years as naming convention?
For Great Wall & Chery, isn't these the export names, and the others just a transliteration of the Chinese name?