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forum_emoticons.html	[quote=dwd4X4,4009]Aregument from The Citroen DS page on the Revenge of the Pink Panther: F-Series sold twenty nine million units, so twenty nine million have heard of it. But then, multiply this by 3 (two kids/friend and wife/girlfriend) for people who knew a person with an F-Series or for people who have heard of the F-Series but do not own one. The Citroen DS sold barely one million cars, but this car was more well known because it was revolutionary. So, you could say we multiply this by say 10> 10,000,000 have heard of the DS. Any way you cut or slice it, the F-Series is going to be more well know, or at least jsut as well known then the DS just because it sold more. The DS was famous when introduced, and is still famous in Europe. But in North America, about 1/10 will not have heard of "DS", but 9/10 will have heard of "F-150". Don't say I'm not making sense Antione/Dongington/whoever because it is very clear: F-Series has been around much, much longer and has sold more (in more places), DS was revolutionary but only sold one million, for just uner 20 years and mostly in Europe. Also, just because a car isn't famous in Europe, doesn't mean it isn't famous. The Explorer and F-Series are both sold widely outside of Europe. And Antione> You don't have to delete my comments, just because you happen to disagree with them. As for Leolito's comment, it is impossible for a car enthusiest not to recognize "Mustang". And I'm a car fan, and so is my Dad. I had never heard of Citroen or DS before I joined IMCDb, and my Dad just said "Citroen is a European make. They made some famous car, I don't know what it was." Donington, whats a Concorde? Isn't it a Chrysler car? [/quote]
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Donington

Thank god!

antp

Congratulation dwd4x4, after RockerBJ you are the second one that I have to ban since IMCDB was created.

dwd4X4

F U

MrCadillac

Why do so many of you encourage dialogue with this rude, 14-year-old, little punk? Sadly, his kind will rule the roost one day. For now, just ignore him; he'll disappear in due course, like the smell of a bad fart!

dwd4X4

I sense hostility, so i should better shut up before "ANTP" gets angry.

antp

Please call me "antp" instead of making errors in my name all the time :tongue:

dwd4X4

Actually Antione. Citroen DS cabs are being used in 2015. Duh, anyone would know that.

antp

There were some ID taxis, yes, but do not forget that the number of taxis in Europe (except London with his famous black cabs) is low compared to typical US cities. So lots of taxis are from private owner. Taxi companies rather use Mercedes-Benz, since long time now.

Hecubus

Uhh, there are more fleets than just police cars and taxis. I know Tempos and Topazes would've been available as rental cars (we rented one once), and I'd imagine some government agencies would also use them (maybe even businesses who buy them as company cars, I dunno). As for the DS, I doubt it would've been bought brand new to be used as a taxi, although the ID might've.

And just because a car is revolutionary, doesn't mean it'll sell well. If the public's not ready for the advancements, they'll shun the car (just look at the Chrysler Airflow, or when GM brought out fuel injection on the Corvette).

And, I don't think the Tempo is a great car. Little gadgets we take for granted, such as 12 radio presets, do not make a car great. I don't doubt it's a decent car. I loved my old Escort. But dependable transportation isn't quite enough to make a car great.

dwd4X4

I meant in an entry-level sedan :kiki:

. DRLs have been used in high-end and exotic cars since a the late 70s. The Ford Tempo (and soon after the Corsica) were the first entry-level sedans to use them. Also, Oldsmobile invented the DRL/Daytime Running Headlights. Not everything was invented by Europeans :tongue:

. Almost all the cute little accessories everyone takes for granted were invented by Americans: power windows (Lincoln, 1941), power locks (Packard), the safety belt (Ford), hidden windsheild wipers, and millions of other things.

As for power seats, I think Oldsmobile invented them in the 1950s. But they first saw wide use in the 1980s, with cars like the Ford Tempo.

Wasn't the DS sold as fleet too? Taxis? The Tempo was rarely sold as fleet, if you knew anything you'd know the word: LTD/Crown Victoria! Taxi cabs, squad cars etc were almost 99% Crown Vics/LTDs and NOT Tempos. Tempos were sold mostly to public, unlike the Corsica (which was released as a commercial car like the Biscayne).