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forum_emoticons.html	[quote=93_Montero,20129]After reading the post about the worst vehicles you have ever driven I came across G-Mann's disapproval of SUVs. Now, first of all I have to agree with you about 90% of the ones seen on the road. This goes for the GMC Envoy, Ford Explorer, Ford Escape, Hummers, Excursions, FJ Cruisers, Aztec, etc. the list goes on forever. There are so many SUVs that I hate to see but there are some that deserve to be noted. I really wish people would remember the best looking models like the 1980s Toyota Land Cruiser, the Land Rover Defenders, 80s Isuzu Troopers, and old Pajero/Shogun/Monteros, Jeep Grand Wagoneers, International Harvester Scouts, 70s Jeep Cherokees, etc. I am 6 foot 6 and possibly the tallest person on this site and I absolutely love being able to see all of the road in front of me. My 1993 Montero has a lot of headroom and I am tired of being in vehicles where my head hits the ceiling. I drove my friends Toyota Camry the other day and it felt so strange (or just awful). I had no room to move and I couldn't see ahead of me at all. G-Mann you can't forget about the SUV legends out there when you are making fun of SUVs. I know you may just be kidding but I don't blame you because again 90% or more look horrible. In my dream there would be a worldwide ban of every single SUV except the following: 1980-1990 FJ60 and FJ62 Toyota Land Cruisers All FJ55 Toyota Land Cruisers late 80s to early 90s Land Rover Range Rovers All Jeep Grand Wagoneers 70s Jeep Cherokees All Land Rover Defenders even new late 80s to early 90s Mitsubishi Montero/Pajero/Shogun all International Harvester Scouts/Travelalls 50s though 70s GMC and Chevy Suburbans late 80s early 90s Nissan Patrols late 80s Isuzu Troopers 80s Dodge Ram Chargers 60s Ford Broncos all FJ40 Toyota Land Cruisers I may have missed a few but you get the idea. The rare rugged SUVs would be the only that survived. Of course the army could still have military Hummers but in my dream there wouldn't be any war![/quote]
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taxiguy

Oh wait, I see the ones you mean now. :wink:

I saw them but I hadn't even noticed that it was you who had posted them :tongue:

Yeah, they're pretty nice cars. I like the Rolls Royce the most. I could fit my "fat yank" self into it more easily than a Porche or Ferarri. :grin:

taxiguy

Quote From: G-MANN

Only if you're a fat Yank :tongue:

That's me all right :lol:

But really, I'm not criticizing small Euro cars I'm just pointing out that they are quite a bit smaller than SUVs and Vans :wink:

Quote From: G-MANN

Anyway taxiguy, have you seen the photos I posted in the "interesting/funny/special cars sightings" topic?

Which ones would you be referring to now? :think:

G-MANN

Quote From: taxiguy

Probably becuase all the cars in Europe, even luxury ones, are tiny.

Only if you're a fat Yank :tongue:

Anyway taxiguy, have you seen the photos I posted in the "interesting/funny/special cars sightings" topic?

taxiguy

Quote From: G-MANN

and actually it's very nice inside and it had more space than all luxury sedans I sat in

Probably becuase all the cars in Europe, even luxury ones, are tiny. Besides even if you want that kind of space, just get a minivan instead, it's better and more practical.

G-MANN

At Goodwood yesterday I went to the Land Rover stand and sat inside a Range Rover, and actually it's very nice inside and it had more space than all luxury sedans I sat in (including a Merc S-Class). I thought it would be a nice car to be a passenger in on a long journey (although I didn't actually ride in it). And it's still a highly capable offroader than can tow 3.5 tons. BUT I still wouldn't buy one (not that I could afford one, not anytime soon) unless I needed to go offroad, I have to stay true to my principles and on the outside it's still too brash, it would be a bugger to park and I wouldn't want to be mistaken for an overpriviledged parent on the school-run. But then again every glamorous car could be associated with rich idiots (footballers, socialites, talentless celebrities, trophy wives), so what can you do? But if I HAD to have a luxury SUV I guess it would be a Range Rover.

Ddey65

Quote From: Neptune

People have lost the idea of what the SUV was meant to be – a work horse. SUVs were never meant to be fast, sporty and quick. If someone wants fast, sporty and quick, then they should get a sports car or 4-door sports sedan.

You're absolutley right about that, Neptune which is part of the problem. The other part is that cars in the US & Canada shrunk during the late-1970's, making driver seek vehicles that could do the jobs that cars were no longer able to do, and SUV's were among the light-duty trucks that served as replacements. G-MANN is also right about the European vs. American view of what's considered big, since we've had bigger cars and trucks in the post-war era than they've had.

BlackIce_GTS

Quote From: Neptune

I know for a fact it could out work any thing Mercedes, Porsche and BMW could manufacture in the SUV segment.

Don't forget the G-wagen.
I think the Cayenne is suprisingly capable off road, but I don't know that it could handle doing 'work'. I'd guess not.

ingo

"A SUV is not a truck" - the newest judgement of the highest German courthouse. It goes for SUV's over 2.8 tons. This means, that an owner of a big SUV has to pay up to ten times higher yearly taxes.

93_Montero

Let my correct myself, when I say full potential I mean to the extent of staying safe and keeping it in one piece (because I don't have a winch and sometimes go out alone).

93_Montero

Well said G-Mann, I have to agree with you because you're right. I would never own a SUV just for the sake of it without using it to the full potential (ie off-road). Just like it is silly to own an F350 with dual tires in the back and never transport or tow anything.