I like our "somewhat vociferous" discussions

Is that you, Kofi Annan? Pick a side next time!

@sandwad Ask when it's a questionable program, saves everybody's time, but by uploading all the pictures you hope to push it through. Kudos uses the same technique.

In the absence of a reply from anyone else, I will sum up the deletion situation.

Basically, it was deleted as three admins (antp, chicomarx and G-Mann) somewhat vociferously felt that it was not worth listing. Lateef disagreed because some of the cars were rare then backed down in a flip-flop almost of Romney proportions. A couple of other people spoke out in favour of it too, raising the same points that they usually do in such borderline cases. For these people, the problem is more with the guidelines rather than the case of the show.

All that was going to happen was that the argument was going to rage on for ages before it died out and the page was left forever unvalidated as people continually shied away from making a decision. It is probably my fault (and honestly I was neither for nor against listing it) that it got deleted as I raised exactly this point on that page. Basically, that if some people felt that it should have been deleted so strongly, and they had the power to actually delete it then why didn't they do that rather than just complaining about it, leading to indecision and a fucking tedious argument?

I accept your first point and don't think that anyone would disagree with that, but I don't think that makes it any more or less worth listing. For the second point, these days car/truck shows only seem to get listed if they are very well known like Top Gear, IRT and Fifth Gear are to an extent or they have something else of interest. This show is not really that. For instance, we've had a lot of other less well known car shows which have not been validated, though there are a few that slipped through the net before this rule change or for other reasons (for instance, I think things such as Auto Esporte were listed as a lot of the latin American cars listed there are rare on the base).

That is the situation as I understand it in relation to the rules, and not necessarily my actual personal view.

The page had MANY topics, I had gone off the site and checked back an hour later and it was gone.

I'm just surprised that so many people had agreed the cars where worth adding but where debating if the show was?

Their where two main arguments...

1. The cars where just used for transport - not in activities like Top Gear.

My Reply - 99.9% of cars on this site are used for transport because...they are cars - but in fact three of the cars on the page where used in experiments, the V60 and Espace where used in a wet/dry braking test and the Skoda was used to show what police use on the motorway. Episode Two is very different, their is a pick up XC90, test to see who is a better driver (Men VS Woman - Old VS Young) excetera...but it's annoying that people who haven't even watched the show are saying what it is - when it is not that.

2. That many people will not be looking for the page/the show is non fiction.

My Reply - We have a non-fiction section on purpose. If we never had one, pages like Top Gear, Ice Road Truckers, Fifth Gear, and other car related show's would never have a page - yet they all seem to have one. My page is a car show (Albeit with a stupid name) so what's the difference? They may not voice their opinion on the Volvo V60, but then again Ice Road Trucks doesn't review the trucks they are driving.

I don't want to start another debate...but if it happens it will at least happen on the forum where it will be less annoying and page filling.