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antp
I wait a little before deciding something for MINI then
In the meantime, I fixed the few bugs of the admin-vehicle page (edit/add vehicles).
In the meantime, I fixed the few bugs of the admin-vehicle page (edit/add vehicles).
dsl
About Mini/MINI:
- I can put whittling down that list without chassis codes on my to-do list for all the pre-1990 classic Minis, but I'm not up to speed with MINI chassis codes or particularly able to ID MINI versions
- there's a few MINIs in that list which can be split off. All hatchbacks are MINIs which should take a chunk out, but not all MINIs are hatchbacks. Some names were used on both Minis and MINIS such as Cooper, Clubman and Countryman so individual checking needed
- all Minis were UK build apart from a brief flurry of Portugese Moke builds. The UK builds should all fall into ADO 15 or 20 or 50 fairly neatly. I'd probably have to make the van and pick-up code ADO15 which we don't particularly do at the moment, but it would be reasonably accurate as they didn't change much. I'll look at them to check they're all OK
- not sure what code to use for Portugese-build Mokes - by this time they'd evolved too far from UK original for ADO, and using the intermediate Australian YDO codes isn't a convincing idea. Ideas welcome.
- the "edge case" 1997 concept should stay Mini as it was created under Rover ownership before BMW's arrival. Or it could become Rover to slot into all the other 1990-2000 Minis?
It may be inconvenient to organise but I don't think the rationale for having Mini and MINI as separate makes is totally dead. They had different owners, different models, different designs and were/are made in different factories - there is no product overlap apart from naming. We informally use a separation system already which largely works, so it's viable - although not watertight and some leakage would always be inevitable.
If you want only one version, I'd prefer Mini (lower case); MINI would look very weird alongside the pre-1990 classic shape models, and Mini with the 2000+versions is more easily digestible and only slightly out of line.
I'd suggest holding off making changes for a week or so until I've tried to chop that list down and have a better idea what's lurking within it. I'm fairly sure I can put chassis codes on all the Minis (though some might be fingers-crossed guesses if poor pictures, and the Moke code is unknown at the moment). I'd guess some of the MINI codes - even with MINI experts joining in - may not be ID-able.
- I can put whittling down that list without chassis codes on my to-do list for all the pre-1990 classic Minis, but I'm not up to speed with MINI chassis codes or particularly able to ID MINI versions
- there's a few MINIs in that list which can be split off. All hatchbacks are MINIs which should take a chunk out, but not all MINIs are hatchbacks. Some names were used on both Minis and MINIS such as Cooper, Clubman and Countryman so individual checking needed
- all Minis were UK build apart from a brief flurry of Portugese Moke builds. The UK builds should all fall into ADO 15 or 20 or 50 fairly neatly. I'd probably have to make the van and pick-up code ADO15 which we don't particularly do at the moment, but it would be reasonably accurate as they didn't change much. I'll look at them to check they're all OK
- not sure what code to use for Portugese-build Mokes - by this time they'd evolved too far from UK original for ADO, and using the intermediate Australian YDO codes isn't a convincing idea. Ideas welcome.
- the "edge case" 1997 concept should stay Mini as it was created under Rover ownership before BMW's arrival. Or it could become Rover to slot into all the other 1990-2000 Minis?
It may be inconvenient to organise but I don't think the rationale for having Mini and MINI as separate makes is totally dead. They had different owners, different models, different designs and were/are made in different factories - there is no product overlap apart from naming. We informally use a separation system already which largely works, so it's viable - although not watertight and some leakage would always be inevitable.
If you want only one version, I'd prefer Mini (lower case); MINI would look very weird alongside the pre-1990 classic shape models, and Mini with the 2000+versions is more easily digestible and only slightly out of line.
I'd suggest holding off making changes for a week or so until I've tried to chop that list down and have a better idea what's lurking within it. I'm fairly sure I can put chassis codes on all the Minis (though some might be fingers-crossed guesses if poor pictures, and the Moke code is unknown at the moment). I'd guess some of the MINI codes - even with MINI experts joining in - may not be ID-able.
antp
I noticed a bug, I added a bunch of vehicles tonight, and when I entered them, I put in the highlight box on some, but when I go back and edit the make and model, the box is being blanked out without me doing anything. So I've had to go back and re-add the box a second time.
Indeed, I wonder how this went un-noticed. I'll try to fix this as soon as possible.
edit: fixed, fortunately it was easy
Thanks for the info
antp
@Sandie > it seems to work in some cases and not in others, I'll investigate
edit: very strange, what was not working yesterday now works, the only bug remaining is that it uses the displayed name to do the search, which fails in the few cases where the display name is different than the identifier, like Triumph bikes or makes with accents, I'll fix that easily.
About Mini/MINI, I suppose splitting them between two different makes like the two Triumph would not make much sense. I could add something to change the case depending on the chassis code.
I'd say the best default would be uppercase, and switch to lowercase only if it has one of the few chassis codes of the classic Mini, i.e. starting by "ADO".
Only the few old ones without chassis codes have to be updated then, cf https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=2&make=Mini&model=&modelMatch=- 3&modelInclChassis=on
What do you think?
Or should I also apply that in case the year is specified and <2000 ?
The edge case being https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Mini_model-Cooper+Monte+Carlo+Concept+Car.html
edit: very strange, what was not working yesterday now works, the only bug remaining is that it uses the displayed name to do the search, which fails in the few cases where the display name is different than the identifier, like Triumph bikes or makes with accents, I'll fix that easily.
About Mini/MINI, I suppose splitting them between two different makes like the two Triumph would not make much sense. I could add something to change the case depending on the chassis code.
I'd say the best default would be uppercase, and switch to lowercase only if it has one of the few chassis codes of the classic Mini, i.e. starting by "ADO".
Only the few old ones without chassis codes have to be updated then, cf https://www.imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=2&make=Mini&model=&modelMatch=- 3&modelInclChassis=on
What do you think?
Or should I also apply that in case the year is specified and <2000 ?
The edge case being https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Mini_model-Cooper+Monte+Carlo+Concept+Car.html
night cub
I noticed a bug, I added a bunch of vehicles tonight, and when I entered them, I put in the highlight box on some, but when I go back and edit the make and model, the box is being blanked out without me doing anything. So I've had to go back and re-add the box a second time.
dsl
Mini (lower case) is used as make for the old classic shape from 1970 rebranding when Austin/Morris etc removed until 1990 when Rover adopted as new title until classic shape production end in 2000. MINI (upper case) means 2000+ under BMW ownership and was their official rebadging logo format in block capitals, so each group is distinct in real life with a 10 year break between them. This is reflected pretty much in the database entries as everyone seems to know the protocol, even if the filters don't register the difference.
[Comment edited as 1st go missed out some info]
[Comment edited as 1st go missed out some info]
Sandie
I fixed a few bugs, including those reported by Walter.
For Sandie's bug I'll check tomorrow, it is less "urgent" and it is more complicated to investigate.
For Sandie's bug I'll check tomorrow, it is less "urgent" and it is more complicated to investigate.
My issue works now, maybe fixed by your bug fixes or it was just parts of the site needing to catch up with the database changes (or it just hates the Alfa Romeo 33 which is what I was searching at the time).
antp
Before the bug is reported, one that I'll try to fix tomorrow: in the drop-down list, if you press Enter or double-click it selects the highlighted entry, but not if you just do a simple click or press Tab. I think it was working before in early versions, I'll investigate.
antp
The list of makes was generated from existing entries, if there was a mix of uppercase/lowercase it took one randomly.
We can easily edit the "Mini" make to have it as "MINI". Or should only some be displayed that way?
(changing it on the page https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Mini.html will affect all models linked to it)
We can easily edit the "Mini" make to have it as "MINI". Or should only some be displayed that way?
(changing it on the page https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Mini.html will affect all models linked to it)
walter.
@Walter > to add related makes, you can simply edit the description of makes and put some text with links, using the same syntax as comments.
e.g.:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Suzuki
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Land-Rover
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Rover
e.g.:
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Suzuki
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Land-Rover
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Rover
Thanks, I'll do that later or tomorrow.
I've noticed that it doesn't allow you to put the MINI make (the new one) in capital letters anymore.