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forum_emoticons.html	[quote=Harold B,90273]That's fine I understand. In the meantime, here's more work for you :grin: Slight oversight, one is listed as Type 75 MLRS (correct), but the others are just Type 75. https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Komatsu&model=Type+75+MLRS& https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Komatsu&model=Type+75& The "[Type 37]" in brackets doesn't need to be there. I don't even know what that would be referring to, originally a typo maybe if someone meant Type 97. https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Isuzu&model=Type+97& These two are under different categories by mistake. Should be "Walker Bulldog" with no dash. That's my mistake, I accidentally wrote a dash in my last correction list. https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Made+for+Movie&model=M41+%27Walker+Bulldog%27&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_356748-Made-for-Movie-M41--Walker-Bulldog-.html The model for all 3 of these should be "Austin-Putilov Armoured Car" https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Austin-Putilov.html One thing, this isn't a correction, more an opinion: I think it would be worth getting rid of the quote marks around the names for American tanks. " M4 'Sherman' " to " M4 Sherman " and so on. I mean they were official names, on the manuals even, and the equivalent nicknames for German tanks, like the Tiger and Panther, aren't in quotes. If you search " M1 Abrams " on the site search function it doesn't show up, you have to enter it as " M1 'Abrams' " for the site to display results, and most people won't know to do that. It's not too big of a deal, but if it's something you want to change maybe now is the time to do it. All American military "M", "T", and "XM" numbers don't have a dash or space. So "M4" is correct, "M-4" is not. There's also no space between "A" and "E" numbers, which denote specific versions, but I assume they are spaced on the site because of the way the categories work? "M4" and "M4A1" would be separate entries, but having it as "M4 A1" allows it to show up under "M4", correct? The best resource I can recommend for identifying M3 Lees and M4 Shermans is http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/index.html There is enough information on that site to pinpoint any Sherman-family tank, as long as you have enough detail in the photos. I personally can tell apart most of the major versions (I still struggle with 75mm M4A2 vs M4A3), but I can't recognize the manufacturer by heart. It's possible to figure it out by using this site, but I don't have [i]that[/i] much time to go through every single Sherman. I made a quick ID guide for major features of each version (beyond the obvious, you have to be at least familiar with the Sherman for this to be useful) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hV_v8YAG12bgr2bc0WCs6GasfMUxoN680BbC0QT-8xg/edit?usp=sharing When there are multiple manufacturers for a version, the one that built the most tanks is in bold. So Alco is the default for base model M4s and Fisher is the default for M4A2s. Starting with Alco Chrysler M3 Lee (All M3A3s were built by Baldwin, not Alco. The M3A3 had a welded hull, but the ones in this picture are riveted, so they are normal M3s.) https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1132032-Alco-M3-A3--Lee-.html Baldwin M3A3 Grant as Fisher M4A2 Sherman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQdxOtrn9Y) https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_305497-Alco-M4--Sherman--1941.html Fisher M4A2 Sherman - additional info: small hatch https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1004054-Alco-M4--Sherman-.html Ford M4A3 Sherman - additional info: large hatch https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1896607-Alco-M4--Sherman-.html Chrysler M4A3 (76)W Sherman https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1465057-Alco-M4--Sherman-.html It may take a few different passes to get all the Shermans identified correctly, these are just the obviously wrong ones for now. There were 3 versions of the M7 Priest: M7, M7B1, and M7B2. The M7 and M7B2 can only be told apart from transmission cover or from the rear engine compartment; The M7 was based on the hull of the M3 Lee, the M7B1 was based on the hull of the M4 Sherman. The M7B2 has the cannon mounted much higher up and is easy to spot. In this case, "Priest" is a nickname and was not official. Alco M7 105mm HMC 'Priest' https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_130083-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_184312-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_298806-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_441376-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_465102-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_465463-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_632050-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_701677-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1565597-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1635682-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1696881-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_106031-Alco-M7-1942.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_434706-Alco-M7-1942.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1716232-Alco-M7-1942.html Alco M7B1 105mm HMC 'Priest' https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_284280-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_309260-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_712197-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_766815-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1048868-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1399212-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1514836-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_570349-Alco-M7-1942.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1151400-Cadillac-M37-Howitzer-Motor-Carriage-1944.html Alco M7B2 105mm HMC 'Priest' https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_323018-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_524180-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_526577-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_719010-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_795196-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_857208-Alco-M7.html - Alco M7B2 105mm HMC 'Priest' as Marder https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_901626-Alco-M7.html https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1426882-Alco-M7.html Allis-Chalmers M6 High-Speed Tractor https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_183222-Allis-Chalmers-M4-1942.html Rename all of the rest (M4s) to "M4 High-Speed Tractor" as the model https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Allis-Chalmers&model=M4& Rename model to "M50 Ontos" https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Allis-Chalmers&model=M50& This is misidentified. The M51 was a dump truck, and also wasn't built by AM General. I would say move this to International Harvester M54, that's the basic cargo truck. You could also be pedantic and go with International Harvester M61, which was the basic chassis that all trucks of this family were based on, since this is a cartoon and it has some pretend thing on the back. https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1072397-AM-General-M-51.html All of these should have the dash removed from their name. M109, M151, M275, and so on. https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-109&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-109+A3&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-151+A2+%27MUTT%27&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-275&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-292&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-35&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-35+A2&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-35+A3&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-36&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-44&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-49+A2C&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-543&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-621&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-809&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-813&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-814&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-816&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-817&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-818&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-916&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-923&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-925&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-927&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-928&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-929&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-931&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-934&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-936&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=AM+General&model=M-939&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on[/quote]
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"KAWEST" shouldn't be in quotes, it's a version acronym not a name.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1411998-Cadillac-M109--KAWEST--1995.html

M19 MGMC (The correct full designation is Multiple Gun Motor Carriage)
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_689249-Cadillac-M19-Gun-Motor-Carriage-1944.html

This M24 is missing the name Chaffee, which the rest have.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1902700-Cadillac-M24-1944.html

Name update: Cadillac M24 Chaffee as MAN Pz.Kpfw.V Panther
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1031367-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_9852-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_50423-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_767471-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html

Name update: Cadillac M24 Chaffee as GAZ SU-76M
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1075315-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee.html

Name update: Cadillac M24 Chaffee as Cadillac M41 Walker Bulldog
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_85020-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html

Name update: remove "light tank" as additional info, to be consistent with the rest
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_27611-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html

The M24s which saw service with the Japanese military were not made for Japan. They were normal American army production vehicles which were given to Japan, therefore these two should not have the "made for Japan" tag. If that is only there to signify they are in Japanese service, then it is missing on many other M24s which clearly have Japanese markings.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_837444-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_639908-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee.html

Set name as "Cadillac M37 105mm HMC" and year as 1945. The M37 wasn't produced in 1944 https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/usa/105-mm-howitzer-motor-carriage-m37/
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Cadillac&model=M37+Howitzer+Motor+Carria- ge&

Massey-Harris M41 155mm HMC (not Cadillac)
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_861169-Cadillac-M41-Howitzer-Motor-Carriage.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1346828-Massey-Harris-M41.html

Cadillac M41 Walker Bulldog (not M24)
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1827827-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_245749-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_603084-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html

Chrysler M47 Patton (not M24)
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_247873-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_620140-Cadillac-M24-Chaffee-1944.html

Name update: Cadillac M41 Walker Bulldog as T34 Calliope
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_678661-Cadillac-M41--Walker-Bulldog-.html

These two M41s are listed as being from 1962, but that was only the year they were delivered to the Danish Army. The M41 ended production in 1954.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_58213-Cadillac-M41--Walker-Bulldog--1962.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_248682-Cadillac-M41--Walker-Bulldog--1962.html
There's no real way to tell production year for most tanks. They're not like cars of course where they change every year. For the M41, early production models had a different weld pattern on the turret, but it's not like that corresponds to 1951 and the later weld pattern to 1952. There are some tanks which had constant production changes, like the Sherman and the Panther, where if you have enough pictures of the same tank you can work out what month, year, and factory it was produced, but for most tanks that isn't the case. Early M41s were retrofitted constantly with new features as they came out, so they have the features of later production tanks. In all my time of photographing real tanks I've only found one original M41 which wasn't updated to a later model.

This is more of a comment, or some info so you can decide on. The full designation of this vehicle was M8 75mm HMC, and the nickname was Scott. Just "M8 Scott" is fine, or you can add the full designation, Cadillac M8 75mm HMC Scott. There are other vehicles like this (Hellcat and Jackson) so you should decide which way to name them.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Cadillac&model=M8+27&

Manufacturer should be American LaFrance. The T3E2 and T3E3 were meant to be improved versions of the Christie T3, but were assigned to American LaFrance because the Army was fed up with dealing with Christie.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1068784-Christie-T3E2-1936.html

Should be called "Chevrolet C15A CMP" like the rest.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1737568-Chevrolet-C15.html

Should have "CMP" as part of the model rather than as additional info.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1407584-Chevrolet-C30.html

All of the ones called "Chevrolet C60 L" (with the exception of this one specifically: https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_431173-Chevrolet-C60-L.html) should be called "Chevrolet C60 L CMP" like the rest.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Chevrolet&model=C60+L&
Also this one which is in its own category by mistake
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1735237-Chevrolet-C60L.html

Should be called "Chevrolet C60 S CMP" like the other two.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_101387-Chevrolet-C60-S.html

All of these should have the dash removed from their name. M1008, M1009, M1010, M1028, and M1031.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Chevrolet&model=CUCV+M-1008&
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Chevrolet&model=CUCV+M-1009&
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Chevrolet&model=CUCV+M-1010&
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Chevrolet&model=CUCV+M-1028&
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Chevrolet&model=CUCV+M-1031&

Chevrolet CUCV M1031
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_173331-Chevrolet-CUCV-1984.html

Set name to Chevrolet M6 Bomb Service Truck
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_727785-Chevrolet-M6.html

Chevrolet T17E1 Staghound as AEC Armoured Car
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_603165-Chevrolet-T17E1--Staghound--1942.html

Harold B

That's fine I understand. In the meantime, here's more work for you :grin:

antp

I won't have time to continue renaming things posted on the forum until Monday or Tuesday, but don't worry, it is not lost, I'll process these later :wink:

Harold B

I actually talked to the owner of the XM453E3 recently, they still have it. He told me that one is serial number 1, out of 3. I had learned only a few weeks ago about the other two surviving XM453s, one Ford and one GMC, so I was really happy to find out through this site that a Reo version still exists as well. I have an interest in preserving oddball, prototype military vehicles, so I was letting him know I was interested in it. He said he would keep me in mind for if they sell it. I'd love to be able to reunite all three of them and have them on display. I'm working on getting a building for the vehicles I already have.

antp

Thanks for the list of fixes
I already processed the post from 22:43, I'll do the next one later today.

edit: that's a longer list that I thought :grin:

Still have to do Reo XM453E3 and next ones

dhill_cb7

We appreciate the help. I know that I have mentioned to Mike962 in the past that for these obscure names sometimes it helps to link ones that are already established in the database in your comment to make it easier for the admin updating the entry.

Obviously if they are all listed wrong then it’s better to have antp do it in one fell swoop then manually doing one by one.

Normal admins do not have the right to do a mass update (many entries). That is one feature antp (owner/main admin) has exclusive rights to do :grin:

Harold B

Harold B

I noticed there are two different vehicles listed under Mitsubishi Type 73, there's these ones, the Type 73 Armored Personnel Carrier, and the rest are the Type 73 Light Truck. I would recommend changing the names of these four to "Type 73 APC".
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_707793-Mitsubishi-Type-73.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1099168-Mitsubishi-Type-73.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1302636-Mitsubishi-Type-73.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1864020-Mitsubishi-Type-73.html

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1905170-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html - This isn't a Type 74. The Type 74 has a smooth, rounded turret and gun mantlet; this has an angular turret. It's just a generic tank.

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_219415-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html - Type 61 not Type 74

The Type 74 had different upgrades throughout its life, called Type 74B, 74C, and so on, ending with Type 74G. Only some of them like the D and G are easy to identify because of external differences. For the D onward that is a thermal sleeve on the cannon barrel, and for the G that is sideskirts.

Type 74D (or E, but there's no external difference between the two)
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_218045-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_218103-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_722579-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_873513-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1073894-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1249645-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1866179-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1521059-Mitsubishi-Type-74-1974.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1704175-Mitsubishi-Type-74-1974.html

Type 74G
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_975301-Mitsubishi-Type-74.html

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_218044-Mitsubishi-Type-78.html - Misidentified, Komatsu Type 75 MLRS (Multiple-Launch Rocket System). The Mitsubishi one is the Type 75 SPH (Self-Propelled Howitzer).

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1453090-Mitsubishi-Type-90.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1919735-Mitsubishi-Type-90.html
Misidentified, these are M1 Abrams

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_583757-Nihon-Nainenki-Type-95-1937.html - This Kurogane Type 95 is listed under "Nihon Nainenki" (日本内燃機) which was Kurogane's parent company. The rest of them are listed under Kurogane, so this one should be too https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Kurogane&model=Type+95& This one is specifically the pickup truck version. The rest are the staff car version.

These two vehicles are the same thing. They should be called "TGE Type 92A Ni-Ku", as opposed to the other artillery tractor introduced in the same year, the Type 92B I-Ke.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_377454-TGE-Type-92-1932.html
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_373166-TGE-Type-92-Ko-1932.html

There are Type 82s listed under Mitsubishi, Komatsu, and Isuzu. Mitsubishi designed it but Komatsu built them. I don't think Isuzu even had anything to do with it.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Mitsubishi&model=Type+82&
https://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Komatsu&model=Type+82&
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Isuzu_model-Type+82.html

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1763296-Isuzu-Type-73-Truck-SKW-440-1973.html - This Isuzu Type 73 is listed separately by mistake. It is "Type 73 Truck" while the rest are only "Type 73".

These are Isuzu Type 97s. The TX40 was an earlier design. I'm not entirely sure what the model code of the Type 97 was, if it had one. Isuzu may have considered it a TX, just the military version of it, but the design of the Type 97 is closer to the TX60 and TX80 than it is to the TX40.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Isuzu&model=TX+40

The Isuzu Type 94's model code was TU10
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Isuzu_model-Type+94.html

After these I am happy with the Japanese vehicles. There is nothing else I can find wrong, for now at least.