Yes, that was the discussion. In the case of the F-Super Duty and the Ford Crown Victoria, I don't really mind, but all of the other ones do need a re-design. But think about it, would it be smart to keep on redesigning vehicles like the E-Series and the Express/Savana when they're mostly sold to businesses who could otherwise care less what their trucks look like? If GM and Ford want to appeal more to the general public, they need to make more appealling cars and should change the design at least every 5 yrs.