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Published 27/10/2007 @ 03:29:59, By rjluna2
I have open suggestion for IMCDB.org for these vehicles listed out there. I suggest that we can make nationality of make/model, then what country did the vehicle assembled, and finally what country did the vehicle sold at. For example, There is a right hand drive Pontiac Laurentian where it originally designed in USA. This car completed assembly in Canada. Finally, the car was sold in Australia. Another example, a right hand drive 1965 Chevrolet Impala was designed in USA. This car completed assembly in Canada. Finally, this car was sold in GB. And so on...

It could say in shorthand:

1965 Pontiac Laurentian

Origin: USA - Final Assembly: CDN - Final Destination: AUS

1965 Chevrolet Impala

Origin: USA - Final Assembly: CDN - Final Destination: GB

This can be useful for cars with local law requirement safety attachment. I hope that you understand my meaning on this idea.

Opinion?
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Published 27/10/2007 @ 15:07:11, By antp
Origin and Final destination are already mentioned on the site (final dest. is the "made for")
There is only the "assembly" ("made in") that should be added.
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Published 29/10/2007 @ 11:19:17, By CarChasesFanatic
But how would be do it? if in a Spanish movie we see an Opel Corsa, the brand-new one, we will add it as assembled in Spain? since this car is assembled in Zaragoza, that is what you mean? and for example as Bravada said the other day, if we find a Xsara Picasso we are goingt o add made in Spain as well?
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Published 29/10/2007 @ 13:43:23, By antp
I suppose. But I personally do not find the info useful, and for sure will not fill it myself as it is not so easy to find these infos. So I wonder how that could be filled.
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Published 29/10/2007 @ 13:47:32, By CarChasesFanatic
If we have problems about filling the origin of the car theng uess about assemblance...
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Published 30/10/2007 @ 01:43:05, By rjluna2
But how would be do it? if in a Spanish movie we see an Opel Corsa, the brand-new one, we will add it as assembled in Spain? since this car is assembled in Zaragoza, that is what you mean? and for example as Bravada said the other day, if we find a Xsara Picasso we are goingt o add made in Spain as well?


You don't need to list the city or province, just only listed country.
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Published 31/10/2007 @ 21:23:43, By bravada
I believe "origin" is both pretty vague and hard to establish (as exemplified by several discussions that annoyed Antoine so much), and also provides little information to the reader (most people would know Fiat is a marque of Italian origin, and even if not, Wikipedia is a better place for such info).

I believe the main "purpose" of IMCDB is helping identify specific vehicles appearing in the movie, hence the minutiae detail we add such as specific production/model year, version, trim level etc. Manufacturing location can also markedly influence the vehicle, with versions made in different countries sometimes differing very significantly (like the Fiat Idea, whose Brazilian version is almost an entirely different vehicle from the Italian one), but also sometimes by the fine detail we love so much.

Not to mention that manufacturing location is much easier to establish with certainty than some vaguely-defined "origin".
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Published 31/10/2007 @ 23:09:26, By antp
Currently the origin of 90% of the cars is set automatically, which is the important point :tongue:
Only major exceptions are Ford Escort and Granada, and for most of them I have to fill the country myself as nobody does :oh: That's one of the reasons why I wonder how that "made in" info would work.
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Published 01/11/2007 @ 00:00:36, By bravada
Same - for most models it is either unamibigious or you can choose the default option. I also think this field can be left empty by default and only filled (manually) when sufficient evidence is found.
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Published 04/11/2007 @ 21:53:46, By weasel1984
There were similar ideas before. Indeed the "final assembly" = "made in", this field would be useful, but only in such cases where everything is clear (mainly for old vehicles), like with cars which you've mentioned rjluna2.
But here http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=136278 I gave an example where it is not so simple.
Especially today the one model (let's call it 'model A') can be prdouced in many countries without one 'final destination'. Later all of these 'models A', from different plants around the Europe/world, are mixed and marketed together. They are identical and about the 'final assembly' place we unfortunately can say nothing.
But! There is one 'small' modification of this idea which would end our problems, however antp won't agree for that and maybe I even understand him. :tongue:
Simply the "final assembly/made in" field could have place for more than one flag/country sign. :grin: Then we would have info about all possibilities for concrete market.
I hope that this English is understandable. :wink:
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Published 05/11/2007 @ 02:33:21, By rjluna2
There could be more than one plants to assemble the cars before shipping to the country to be sold at. Here is perfect example with Cadillac Allanté where it was design in Italy, then completed assembled at USA as you can see at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Allant%C3%A9 web site. But, as I am trying to say there are always last plant location to assemble the car before ship to the country to be sold.

However, well said weasel1984!

Latest Edition: 05/11/2007 @ 02:36:35
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Published 05/11/2007 @ 11:47:21, By antp
Design is again an aditional info. For example many cars were designed by Italian studios, though that nothing else in their conception or assembly is Italian :grin:
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Published 05/11/2007 @ 23:03:38, By bravada
I believe "design" and "origin" are pretty "philosophical" - they are more of a statement than actually providing information about a particular car.

The place of assembly, OTOH, can be informative as to indentifying particular characteristics of the car. Do remember this field can be optional - i.e. you don't have to have flags for EVERY car. If the place of assembly is certain, we just add it to provide more information, just like we sometimes add production year or trim level.
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Published 05/11/2007 @ 23:12:31, By antp
The actual production is maybe a more informative info, but it does not mean that it is useful.

One problem that I see coming with that "made in" field is that it will again increase the number of comments per day. And as I check all comments it will mean more work for me. And if I do not check all comments, a part of info posted is not processed at all :ohwell:
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Published 06/11/2007 @ 00:22:06, By wrenchhead
I frankly don't see the need for an additional field. The information, if available, can be put in the comments for those interrested.
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Published 06/11/2007 @ 00:23:48, By antp
(that's my opinion too :grin: )
Though that, as always, having it in a field allows to have searchs and stats.
But I am not sure that such info is really adapted to imcdb. It is rather for an encyclopedic site about cars, where there is a reference of models, not like on imcdb with its separate multiple model pages repeated for each movie.

Latest Edition: 06/11/2007 @ 00:25:07
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Published 06/11/2007 @ 02:32:29, By rjluna2
The actual production is maybe a more informative info, but it does not mean that it is useful.

One problem that I see coming with that "made in" field is that it will again increase the number of comments per day. And as I check all comments it will mean more work for me. And if I do not check all comments, a part of info posted is not processed at all :ohwell:


I understand that is a lots of job to undertake to add and maintain a new field in your database. Perhaps, in the future when there is new database program and hopefully this will manage the blog/database easier near in the future. Good luck with this.
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Published 06/11/2007 @ 20:33:27, By bravada
I do believe this info is far more informative and interesting than learning that all Fiats have an "Italian spirit" - especially that many people, including myself, do initially misunderstand "origin" for the physical, rather than "spiritual", location.

But then again, I can sense that there would be a lot of reluctance to do away with the data we have (still, we might just change the "meaning" of the "origin" field and apply changes gradually).

I do see the amount of work keeping up to date with all the comments in addition to keeping the site running as already massive. I guess, then, the priority would be to devise ways to alleviate the burden. I have some ideas, but I am sure you have thought of those too.
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Published 06/11/2007 @ 23:13:52, By antp
(still, we might just change the "meaning" of the "origin" field and apply changes gradually).

no :tongue:

I'll add a field some day, and we'll see how it will work, but I am sure that nearly nobody will fill it (me included) and that we will have loads of comments car by car about what to put in that field, which will annoy me.

Latest Edition: 06/11/2007 @ 23:15:07
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Published 07/11/2007 @ 01:00:30, By bravada
Ahem... Why would you be annoyed about people getting involved with the site and not fill in the field you will have created yourself?

Secondly, what's so valuable about the "origin" field in its present form? Is stating that Opels are German and Vauxhalls are (supposedly) British all that important?
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