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Published 14/10/2018 @ 02:12:11, By JB007
For the "2017+ Nissan Micra [K14]", it's origin France or Japan?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Micra#Fifth_generation_(K14;_2017%E2%80%93pr- esent)
Because, it's based on 2013+ Renault Clio 4 [X98] and built in France.


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Published 14/10/2018 @ 14:34:05, By antp
It has a similar style, but it seems it is not just rebadged.
So it depends where it was conceived: in France by Renault (or even by Nissan) or in the headquarters in Japan?

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Published 30/10/2018 @ 17:30:04, By night cub
Chevy Avalanche trucks are all made in Mexico

The 2002-2006 models are code [GMT805]

The 2007-13 models are code [GMT941]

http://imcdb.org/search.php?resultsStyle=asList&sortBy=0&make=Chevrolet&model=Av- alanche
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Published 30/10/2018 @ 17:48:02, By antp
What about this one?
http://imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=977473

edit: chassis already updated

Latest Edition: 30/10/2018 @ 17:51:16
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Published 30/10/2018 @ 18:39:47, By night cub
GM didn't have any plants in Nova Scotia and that VIN does not match the Avalanche VINS, which would be "C13" (RWD) or "K13" (4WD) in the 5-7 places.

A VIN decoder shows that it comes up "Automotive Innovations Inc", which looks like it converts trucks for export:

"Situated in the beautiful Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia, Canada, our modern plant of 80000 sq. Feet was built within the town of Bridgetown.
Our company is a Department of Transportation approved truck manufacturer listed with the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association and in the US, with the Society of Professional Engineers.
Automotive Innovations Incorporated - Truck Masters represent the Export Divisions of GM, Dodge and Chrysler. We are pleased to offer a number of Jeep and Chrysler vehicles equipped with Right Hand Drive."

https://www.gmdu.net/corp-455317.html

So it looks like a company that would take a completed vehicle and convert them for European standards.

Looks more like an anomaly rather anything typical. We may not want to list a Chevy but a "Truck Master", as that what comes up with the VIN.

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Published 01/11/2018 @ 10:13:53, By antp
Interesting, thanks for the info/search :smile: I didn't notice the "truckmaster" fake make mentioned with the VIN info in the comments of the vehicle page.
Maybe worth posting on the vehicle page what you posted here?

I'll update the country of the Avalanche then.

Latest Edition: 01/11/2018 @ 10:16:20
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Published 02/11/2018 @ 07:32:24, By JB007
Chassis-Code "[CD338]" and built in Mexico for all 2010-2012 Ford Fusion.
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Published 02/11/2018 @ 09:24:35, By antp
done
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Published 06/11/2018 @ 02:26:03, By JB007
Chassis-Code "[PA]" for all 2007-2013 Hyundai i10.
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Published 06/11/2018 @ 14:45:05, By antp
done
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Published 10/11/2018 @ 17:42:42, By JB007
Chassis-Code "[561A]" for all Peugeot 604, Peugeot 604 Landaulet and Peugeot 604 Ti Limousine.

Chassis-Code "[551A]" for all Peugeot 505 only sedans.

Chassis-Code "[551D]" for all Peugeot 505 Break, Peugeot 505 Ambulanza, Peugeot 505 Ambulancia, Peugeot 505 Ambulance and Peugeot 505 Dangel.
And this model:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_42404-Peugeot-505-Familiale-1986.html

Chassis-Code "[UF]" for all Mitsubishi Expo LRV, Mitsubishi Expo, 1992-1997 Mitsubishi Space Wagon, Hyundai Santamo and Hyundai Santamo Plus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Chariot

Origin: France for all "Peugeot Boxer" and "Citroën Jumper".

Latest Edition: 10/11/2018 @ 17:47:18
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Published 11/11/2018 @ 23:47:21, By eLMeR
[...] Origin: France for all "Peugeot Boxer" and "Citroën Jumper".

They're based on the Ducato and made in Sevel Sud, in Italy.
Does the engine origin impact the vehicle origin ??? This would mean that all vehicles using the Rover 3.5 V8 should be set with a US origin, as it was a Buick engine at first, or that some MB or BMW should have a French origin, as they use Renault or Peugeot engines...
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Published 12/11/2018 @ 18:27:05, By antp
The origin of these Sevel vans has often be a subject of debate.
Are they just a rebadged Fiat or was the project developed by both companies? (even in that case, as it is built in Italy, we could pick Italy...)
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Published 12/11/2018 @ 18:33:28, By antp

Chassis-Code "[UF]" for all Mitsubishi Expo LRV, Mitsubishi Expo, 1992-1997 Mitsubishi Space Wagon, Hyundai Santamo and Hyundai Santamo Plus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Chariot


Is that code "more right" than the one currently used?
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Published 13/11/2018 @ 07:08:45, By eLMeR
[...] Are they just a rebadged Fiat or was the project developed by both companies?

Fast checked:
- The English Wikipedia says "developed by the Sevel joint venture", without any further detail.
- The Sevel article on German WP indicates an Italian headquarter.
- The Italian WP just talks about production, for the Sevel vans, while the Sevel article gives a link to Sevel Uruguay...
- And the francophone Wikipedia is... not a fully reliable source: someone working for Fiat / a Fiat enthusiast regularly "rewrites" the articles to depict Fiat models as "the best ones of the universe" :smile:

But in all cases it appears that except for cosmetic changes, there was no difference between Fiat and PSA models for the 1994-2002 generation, Fiat, Sofim and PSA engines being in all vans, whatever the make. In fact, only the last version has separated engines, as long as this would imply a different origin. Which should be debated, all the more as the biggest engines are only Fiat ones, even for PSA vans.

I'll try to find more info about where they are/were developed.

[...] (even in that case, as it is built in Italy, we could pick Italy...)

Safer option, indeed, until new details are known.

Latest Edition: 13/11/2018 @ 07:09:48
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Published 14/11/2018 @ 19:49:06, By JB007
eLMeR> In France, about these vans, we say that it is the designers from PSA, who realized them, but I am not a specialist on the subject.
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Published 19/11/2018 @ 01:27:07, By eLMeR
Happy Franco-French vision of a joint work... By the way, I'm French and live in France, but I never heard anyone saying this. Who is "we"?
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Published 29/11/2018 @ 04:50:23, By Klumb3r
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Renault.html

The "Grand Tour" model, sometimes written as "Grandtour", see Clio, Laguna and Mégane

The same for "SporTour", "Sport Tourer" and "SportTour"

On some models, the word "Kg" is in lowercase (1000 kg Châssis Cabine, 1000 kg Voltigeur and 1000 kg Voltigeur Car)

Latest Edition: 29/11/2018 @ 04:52:32
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Published 30/11/2018 @ 15:11:20, By antp
Grandtour = D
Grand Tour = ES, PL

SporTour = I (+ one SportTour that I fixed)
Sport Tourer = GB, S, N

In reality "kg" should always be lowercase (K is for Kelvin degrees, k for kilo) but I don't know how Renault spelled it.
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Published 02/12/2018 @ 04:12:55, By eLMeR
[...] In reality "kg" should always be lowercase (K is for Kelvin degrees, k for kilo) but I don't know how Renault spelled it.


(All brochure covers come from lesrenaultdepapier.fr)

It appears that nothing was really set, at least at the beginning:
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Goelette_46_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/1000KgChassis_47_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/1000kgs100Visages_48_small.JPG
1946
1947
1948

1949-52 brochures:
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/1000kg_49_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/1000kgs_50_small.JPG
1949
1950

http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Goelette_52_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/GoeletteTT_52_small.JPG
1951
1952

http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/1953-%20PL%20537%205210_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/GalionQuincaill_53_small.JPG
1953
1954


But from 1955 onward, the brochures seem to only use the SI symbol (kg):
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Goelette_55_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Goelette_56Dep_small.JPG
1955
1956

1957-63 brochures:
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Goelette_56Dep_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/1958-%2043%20626%2003%2003_small.JPG
1957
1958

http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/1959-%2043%20633%2003%2003_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Goelette_60_small.JPG
1959
1960

http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Voltigeur_63_small.JPG
http://www.lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Goelette_63_small.JPG
1963
1963

No brochure available for 1961 & 1962. 1964 & 1965 brochures don't show the payload.

Maybe should we use kg for the whole production, for consistency?
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